{"id":610,"date":"2011-12-30T17:14:07","date_gmt":"2011-12-30T22:14:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/heavytopspin.com\/?p=610"},"modified":"2011-12-30T17:14:07","modified_gmt":"2011-12-30T22:14:07","slug":"living-up-to-your-seeding","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/2011\/12\/30\/living-up-to-your-seeding\/","title":{"rendered":"Living Up to Your Seeding"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Listen to the commentary during tennis tournaments and you&#8217;ll hear a lot about &#8220;living up&#8221; or &#8220;playing up&#8221; to one&#8217;s seed. \u00a0In other words, a seed implies a certain level of performance. If you&#8217;re #10, you should reach the round of 16, but it would take an upset to get to the quarterfinals.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, most players aren&#8217;t that consistent. \u00a0Sometimes they beat expectations (even Igor Kunitsyn won a tournament) and sometimes they crash out early (hello, Andy Murray!). \u00a0While guys like David Ferrer seem to <a href=\"http:\/\/tennisabstract.com\/blog\/2011\/08\/16\/the-most-and-least-consistent-players-on-the-atp-tour\/\">steer a middle course<\/a>, each player&#8217;s ranking is really just a weighted average of the tournaments where they ruled the world and the events where they shouldn&#8217;t have gotten out of bed.<\/p>\n<p>And the more you think about it, the more the notion of &#8220;living up to your seeding&#8221; falls apart. \u00a0In order for the top seed at a tournament to meet expectations, he has to win. \u00a0That happens considerably less than half the time. \u00a0For the second seed to go home happy, he needs to reach the final. \u00a0But with rare exceptions, someone who lost in the final every week would quickly amass enough ranking points to be #1. \u00a0So at least at the top, we shouldn&#8217;t expect that level of consistency. \u00a0Also, the whole idea sets the same expectations for the 9th seed as the 16th, the 17th seed as the 32nd. \u00a0We can do better.<\/p>\n<p>I looked at the last 20 years of slam results and figured out the average result for every seed. \u00a0<strong>In that time span, the top seed has won 5.0 matches per slam&#8211;on average, then, he has lost in the semifinals.<\/strong> \u00a0That number has increased since the majors started seeding 32 players in 2002: In the last 10 years, the top seed has won 5.3 matches per slam, as he has generally coasted through the first two rounds.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a look at how each seed has done over the last 20 years. \u00a0After the top few guys, no one should be <em>expected<\/em> to reach the quarters&#8211;certainly not the #8 seed!<\/p>\n<pre>Seed       Wins            \n1          5.0   SF        \n2          4.2   QF+       \n3          3.7   QF-       \n4          3.4   R16+      \n\n5          2.7   R16-      \n6          2.9   R16-      \n7          2.5   R32\/R16   \n8          2.1   R32+      \n\n9          2.5   R32\/R16   \n10         2.7   R16-      \n11         2.2   R32+      \n12         2.6   R16-      \n\n13         2.1   R32+      \n14         2.2   R32+      \n15         2.1   R32+      \n16         1.6   R64\/R32   \n\n17-32      1.6   R64\/R32   \nUNR 92-01  0.7   R64-      \nUNR 02-11  0.6   R128\/R64<\/pre>\n<p>A more sophisticated way of looking at this is with probabilities. \u00a0Sure, the smart money is on the top seed winning five matches, but beyond knowing that he wins the tournament between 35 and 40 percent of the time, what are the odds that he reaches the final? \u00a0Crashes out early?<\/p>\n<p>Here are those odds for the same sets of players:<\/p>\n<pre>Seed         R64    R32    R16     QF     SF      F      W  \n1          97.3%  90.5%  83.8%  75.7%  62.2%  48.6%  36.5%  \n2          88.5%  78.2%  70.5%  60.3%  51.3%  34.6%  24.4%  \n3          93.5%  80.5%  70.1%  57.1%  36.4%  19.5%   5.2%  \n4          84.4%  75.3%  64.9%  55.8%  39.0%  14.3%   7.8%  \n\n5          84.2%  71.1%  47.4%  36.8%  15.8%   7.9%   2.6%  \n6          84.2%  67.1%  56.6%  38.2%  21.1%  13.2%   7.9%  \n7          81.3%  69.3%  52.0%  32.0%  16.0%   4.0%   0.0%  \n8          80.3%  61.8%  47.4%  22.4%   2.6%   1.3%   0.0%  \n\n9          86.3%  70.0%  53.8%  28.8%  13.8%   5.0%   0.0%  \n10         88.2%  69.7%  52.6%  31.6%  10.5%   5.3%   2.6%  \n11         93.2%  63.0%  34.2%  15.1%   4.1%   1.4%   0.0%  \n12         84.8%  70.9%  51.9%  34.2%  19.0%   5.1%   2.5%  \n\n13         79.5%  61.5%  48.7%  12.8%   7.7%   3.8%   2.6%  \n14         82.7%  60.0%  42.7%  18.7%   9.3%   2.7%   0.0%  \n15         81.8%  67.5%  41.6%  15.6%   7.8%   3.9%   0.0%  \n16         72.7%  44.2%  28.6%   7.8%   5.2%   2.6%   1.3%  \n\n17-32      72.5%  51.8%  19.7%   8.2%   2.2%   0.9%   0.4%  \nUNR 92-01  42.6%  15.8%   5.7%   1.9%   0.6%   0.2%   0.0%  \nUNR 02-11  40.1%  12.8%   4.3%   1.2%   0.4%   0.2%   0.0%<\/pre>\n<p>The same sample of no more than 80 slams means that these numbers don&#8217;t give us a smooth curve, but they still provide a pretty good idea. \u00a0In fact, they look awfully similar to <a href=\"http:\/\/tennisabstract.com\/blog\/2011\/06\/19\/wimbledon-mens-draw-predictions\/\">my pre-tournament slam predictions<\/a>, with the exception of the big gap between the top two seeds and the rest of the field.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Listen to the commentary during tennis tournaments and you&#8217;ll hear a lot about &#8220;living up&#8221; or &#8220;playing up&#8221; to one&#8217;s seed. \u00a0In other words, a seed implies a certain level of performance. If you&#8217;re #10, you should reach the round of 16, but it would take an upset to get to the quarterfinals. Of course, &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/2011\/12\/30\/living-up-to-your-seeding\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Living Up to Your Seeding<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[40,96],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-610","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-forecasting","category-research"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/610","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=610"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/610\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=610"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=610"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tennisabstract.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=610"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}